User talk:Ellywa

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File:Zoso Jimmy Page Saturn sigil.svg

Is the "ZoSo" symbol ineligible for US copyright and free to use in only the US? George Ho (talk) 12:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@George Ho: On the English Wikipedia / in the USA / it is possible to host images which are copyrighted in the USA or elsewhere as "fair use". But it has to be shown there is a rationale. On English Wikipedia they can host w:File:Led Zeppelin (untitled).jpg, the album cover, and w:File:Led Zeppelin's Winter 1971 United Kingdom Tour.jpg, a poster. Both in a small resolution. On Commons this fair use is not allowed. You can read more about this on COM:Fair use. Happy new year! Ellywa (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I know generally about what you said. By telling from what you said, the logo is non-free in the USA, right? George Ho (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I personally think so yes. But on en: there was no consensus as you wrote on the DR. Ellywa (talk) 00:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Found past DR discussions: 2007, 2008–09, 2010. But I'm unsure whether they're helpful about just the US copyright of the "ZoSo" logo, but that was before the Edge decision in the UK. George Ho (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC); expanded, 03:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

As an admin, I just try to stick with the commons guidelines, and the text about low TOO on the country of origin of the logo is very clear. Untill it is shown it has come unchanged from an older version, we should stick to that imho. On w:Jimmy Page it is stated that Page's own so-called "Zoso" symbol originated in Ars Magica Arteficii (1557) by Gerolamo Cardano, an old alchemical grimoire, where it has been identified as a sigil consisting of zodiac signs. The sigil is reproduced in Dictionary of Occult, Hermetic and Alchemical Sigils by Fred Gettings. If this can be shown with certainty, the symbol can be undeleted, and you can add such request, after your own DR. But if it is a DW of an older symbol, it is the creative act of Page. Ellywa (talk) 12:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I was planning to upload a local copy the image to enwiki (not Commons), and I also would like to copy the deleted summary to there. Alternatively, I thought about retrieving the logo from one of other sites just for enwiki, but I'm unsure whether one of them still match the one deleted. George Ho (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Thats fine, good idea. Please tell me when you have time for that, so I can undelete the file for a day. Ellywa (talk) 21:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I would like the file temporarily undeleted after a twelve-hour wait then. When I save the file and the summary into my hard drive, then you can re-delete the file please. Thanks. George Ho (talk) 09:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Done now, in case I would forget later today, please let me know when you are finished. File:Zoso Jimmy Page Saturn sigil.svg. I hope it will be accepted as fair use. Ellywa (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Necessary info and file saved into my hard drive. You may delete the page now. George Ho (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Ellywa (talk) 20:14, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy new year

Happy new year to all readers of my talk page! I am looking forward to pleasant contacts on this beautiful project. Ellywa (talk) 12:06, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Vraagje

Hallo Ellywa, hier staat een kleine spellingfout: editten ipv editen. Misschien vind je het belangrijk dit aan te passen :-) Lotje (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Het is CC-BY-SA, dus een ieder die er zin in heeft mag die spelfout verbeteren. Zelf ga ik die moeite niet doen, maar bedankt, ik heb weer wat bijgeleerd, want ik zou het zo weer fout doen eerlijk gezegd. Mark my words, in de volgende editie van het groene boekje wordt het vast editten, volledig vernederlandst, net zoals kersen pitten en haren klitten gaan we dan samen zitten editten. Ellywa (talk) 18:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Accidental deletion of File:Tiger Längsschnitt.svg

You kept the file at DR but accidentally deleted the file. Please restore. --Denniss (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, is restored now. Use on other projects appears not affected. Thanks for checking my work. Ellywa (talk) 11:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Deletion of File:Coat of Arms of Grover Cleveland.svg

On the deletion request page for this file, you stated "No reason for deletion of this image. On Commons we do not decide whether an image is correct or not correct. This should be discussed on the projects. The image is currently in use on the projects". I want to thank you for your support on this and ask for your assistance to have it restored. I'm not sure of the process to discuss it on "projects".

As you know, this file did get deleted, and it looks like it was done without a decision being made and posted by a moderator. I'm not at all happy that the standard process was circumvented. Was this done unilaterally, and by whose authority? It feels like this file was targeted by someone whose objective was just out to have it removed disregarding the process and the decisions of others and I don't want that happening to my other images as well.--Glasshouse (talk) 23:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for mentioning. This is completely my mistake! I pressed delete, while I intended to keep the file. I will restore the image and try to find out how I can restore it on the projects. Sorry! Ellywa (talk) 08:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

help with vandal

Hi! Just if you are active now please help with Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism --A1 (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi A1, the user is blocked by another admin, thanks for calling. Ellywa (talk) 21:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Uploads by GFHund

Hi Ellywa; thank you for closing Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by GFHund. It is a difficult case and I appreciate your efforts. Understandably, GFHund is disappointed by the many deletions, see my talk page, I tried to explain the outcome to him there. There's a small thing that should be fixed, I think: For kept files, you added the {{Kept}} template with the date of an earlier deletion request on the same page, 30 April 2013, e.g. at File talk:Edmund Schneidewind.jpg (maybe DelReqHandler did this automatically?). This should be changed to the actual date of the current request, which is 15 June 2021. Gestumblindi (talk) 14:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for checking my work. This is a bug of some sort in the DelReqHandler. I just clicked on the "keep" link behind the filename. It will probably occur much more often on DR's which are extended with the same name, never checked it to be honest. Maybe this should be reported somewhere. Ellywa (talk) 14:18, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

That's a good idea; I think I noticed this issue with DelReqHandler in the past, too. I'm not sure it is the best place to report, but well, I tried it now at MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-DelReqHandler.js#DelReqHandler_adding_wrong_date_to_"kept"_template_if_previous_DR_with_same_name_exists. Gestumblindi (talk) 14:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Ellywa (talk) 14:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, too, again; this is a deletion request where I also already invested a lot of time into research, as you can see in the list of nominations withdrawn by the nominator Racconish (expand "Withdrawn nominations" at the top of the page) after my various arguments for keeping quite a lot of these files, so I tried really a lot to help Mr. Hund, and Racconish was also very reasonably willing to withdraw these nominations as we could assume the PD status - and you, too, acted very diligently and considerate, so I very much understand that you write that GFHunds reaction hurts you, and I feel sorry and hurt for you, too, as all we're doing is in the best of faith - and also I understand GFHund's hurt feelings as well, so this is an all-around unhappy affair, but I can't see what we could have done better, given the requirements of Commons... Gestumblindi (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I certainly saw your hard work trying to maintain as much as possible. Its so difficult for elderly people... I'm only 67 ;-) Ellywa (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Ellywa,

I've gone ahead and restored a few of those files in cases where I could see after some research that they were old enough and provide some proper years, authors etc. Please don't take this as a criticism of your decision to delete, this research is something the uploader should normally do, not the admin deciding a deletion request encompassing dozens of files. So I'm doing it kind of pro bono, donating some of my time for this. I may restore more and ask GFHund specific questions about dates etc. of certain files in the process. I hope the unhappiness mentioned above can be alleviated to a degree. Regards --Rosenzweig τ 18:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear Rosenzweig, thanks for you message. I certainly do appreciate your efforts very much and I sincerely hope Mr. Hund will do the same. I do not feel critized at all, I am always happy to see images can been kept. Thanks for your effort and hard work. Regards, Ellywa (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear Rosenzweig and Gestumblindi, I still have a question. Why appears Mr. Hund to be treated so different from other users? It seems many of his uploads are family album uploads and out of scope. Any other user would have been warned and possibly blocked. I respect old age and elderly people will require more help. But in the end they should understand the rules and act accordingly. Ellywa (talk) 07:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Dear Ellywa and Rosenzweig; the Hund family is quite notable; several of the family members have Wikipedia articles in various language versions, and with good reason; for famous people, we usually like to have information (and pictures) of the wider family as well, I'd say. For example, Mr. Hund's father, Friedrich Hund, was an important physicist - en:Hund's cases and en:Hund's rules are named after him. His mother, Ingeborg Seynsche, was a pioneering female mathematician. Gerhard Hund himself is a mathematician and influential chess functionary, and his daughter Barbara Hund holds the FIDE title of Woman Grandmaster (WGM). So these aren't just any arbitrary family album images. Also, one could argue that due to the age of some of the pictures, these are historical documents in their own right, showing attire of the time and how people were photographed back then, such as File:Edmund Schneidewind Eisenach.jpg - even if Edmund Schneidewind isn't notable, it's a nice example of a formal man's portrait of the time. This also applies to historical death notices, marriage announcements etc. Gestumblindi (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, both the uploader and some of his family are definitely notable people as far as the German wikipedia is concerned and I think for Commons too. And even a lot of those files that aren't that closely related to the family (like old postcards and photographs) are in scope here as well because, like Gestumblindi wrote, they are historical documents (like a photograph from January 1846 that I restored, that's quite early for photography). So I'm looking if I can restore at least some of the files or list them for restoration in some future year. That's what I sometimes (or even often) do, if I can, when deciding deletion requests or even when filing them myself. I don't expect this from anyone else, especially not when facing a big bulk of files lacking essential information like in this case, because the onus to provide the necessary information still rests with the uploader. I'm doing it sometimes if I can and have the time, just like others are going through old deletion requests and listing them for restoration at a future date when the files are presumably OK copyright-wise. As far as warning and blocking goes, I think the deletion request and various discussions after that already were a warning. And it's not like he's continuing to upload large numbers of additional problematic files, so what would a block accomplish? Regards --Rosenzweig τ 15:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both for you extensive explanation. I understand your efforts now. However, I do not think Commons is the best location to keep a family archive of this family - or any other - because everything can be changed, renamed, recatogrized etc. Enfin you know this of course. An archive would be better suited to document all inforamtion. I suggested mr. Hund to find a place were all material can be safely kept and registered, but he seemed too angry to hear. But it is of course up to you if you want to put so much effort in sorting out the copyright issues. Ellywa (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)